Ep. 64 – Inner Work: Living From The Heart Space – With Christine Samuel

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Christine Samuel is the founder, coach, and facilitator of Inner Work MattersIn this interview, she shares her journey from Indonesia to Canada and the awakenings she experienced. After discovering the effects of stress on her health and exploring the causes, she began a healing journey of new and healthy routines, journaling, and dialoguing with her inner child. As her realizations expanded, Christine began living from the heart space instead of the mind space. She left her corporate career of 20+ years to follow her heart path. Even the uncertainty of COVID led her to look to a new strategy for living, trusting the unknown of creation, and “move purposefully one step at a time”.

Christine is working on a book, hosting workshops, writing, facilitating training and meetup groups, and “co-creating” new services to assist others through Inner Work Matters. She finds delight in sharing her ever-growing understanding of living from the heart space. She defines the Heart Space as follows – “gently holding space where all feelings, thoughts, and sensations are welcome. It is a space where we can have a loving relationship with our complexity and our contradictions.” 

Show Notes

  1. Meandering laneways leading to connections
  2. Ways of seeing and early dreams
  3. Learning to start over from zero
  4. Who Am I?
  5. Journaling to awareness
  6. Left-handed stigma
  7. Autoimmune wake-up call
  8. Meeting our inner child
  9. COVID as a catalyst for change
  10. Making the most of uncertainty
  11. My 6-month experiment 
  12. Walking a “coddiwomple” path forward
  13. Power of the Heart Space
  14. Essence of Joy
  15. Build the skill of returning home
  16. A new view of success

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(Carol Chapman) Thank you for tuning your hearts in for another episode of the Hearts Rise up podcast. I’m Carol Chapman, your host along with my co-host Ann Serri and Concetta Antonelli. We share our own personal experiences, tips, and strategies along with powerful stories and compelling insights from guest interviews. We’re here to inspire and empower your conscious evolution. Help you tap into your inner wisdom and rise to your heart-centered higher self. Together we can rise to a higher level of consciousness, an elevated state of being, and experience more love joy, and freedom. Welcome back to all of you. Heart center listeners. Thank you for joining us again for another episode of the Hearts Rise Up podcast where you will always find heart-centered wisdom to inspire your conscious evolution.


(Carol Chapman) I have an absolutely delightful guest today. Her name is Christine Samuel. Christine is the founder, coach, and facilitator of inner work matters. She left her corporate career of 20 plus years to follow her heart path, permission is to be a living example and help others to become the fullest expression of who they are while navigating their path to transition with unwavering peace and clarity. She finds delight in sharing her ever-growing understanding of living from the heart space. She lives in Toronto with her husband and two young kids. Christine. Welcome to the show.

(Christine Samuel) Hi Carol. Thank you for having me here. I’m really happy to be able to speak with you today. Oh I just am excited and I love your energy and your heart-based approach to life and work and I wanted to say I enjoyed your deep listening practice a few weeks ago.


(Carol Chapman) That is, was quite an experience. And I think more and more people could really benefit from that practice and I hope that we get an opportunity to share a little bit about that practice today. It’s one of many tools that you have right now. You have quite a personal story that I would love for you to share. You know, our life experiences always contribute to who we are and who we are becoming, and sometimes that can be helpful and sometimes not so helpful, especially as we develop patterns and habits and behaviors and sometimes limiting beliefs that no longer serve us. And it’s important for us to recognize that I know based on our previous conversation that you had the courage to step into the unknown with such curiosity at a turning point in your career and I to follow your heart’s desires. So I would love for you to share your story because oftentimes we don’t follow our heart’s desires because we follow what others or the world perhaps has in store for us or wants for us.


(Carol Chapman) So I would love for you to just share your story from an early age.

(Christine Samuel) Yeah, I’m quite a bit because I’m thinking where should I start from? How long do I have time or you know, time to speak about it? I grew up in Jakarta Indonesia and one of my favorite times I spent was exploring, you know the laneways. I don’t know if you’ve been into traveling to Southeast Asia. Yes, quite a bit because I lived and worked in Southeast Asia. I don’t think we ever covered that. Maybe we did. We did. Yeah, I remember you worked in Singapore. So the road is not as organized here where it’s like north, south, southeast, or east-west, it just meanders around and what I love to do was just to walk through all the laneways and then find out where I can go back home. So basically connecting the ones that I had never been to before to what’s familiar to me and I never knew that that become kind of ways I’m seeing things or I’m exploring thing is just to find out what is unexplored.


(Christine Samuel) So when I was 16 I had a dream to live abroad. It just has to be abroad. I don’t know why. So I’ve been working towards it my dream. And finally, During 1998 where There was a big riot economic collapse 1998 my parents were able to say, you know, you want to go, let’s go. So with this luggage, I flew to Toronto but I had already prepared all the immigration work and I apply for my permits and everything like that and I start my life from zero again because I never, ever left my family before. You know, just for a trip, but like never lived by myself through that shocking drastic change. Where suddenly I didn’t have anyone any family here where I was the first six months in Toronto, and I moved seven times where before that I moved two times in my life, I was like 20, and at that time I have two questions about who I am.


(Christine Samuel) I have to really find out my real value. What is my value? What is me, Who am I? Because before I always knew it from my parents, my siblings, my friend and now I came to this place where the culture is different, the way people react is different and I have to find out what is the culture, what is the real human connection? I experienced so much uncertainty at the time there moment where I only had $3.23 in my bank account and a foot in my fridge. And you know, a friend of mine gave me a bicycle, the racing bike, and I never by right a bike with a place that has a streetcar track. So, a friend of mine told me to be careful on the streetcar tracks, I didn’t know what that means. So one day I was late going to work and then my wheel stuck into the track and I fell and I didn’t have health insurance at that time.


(Christine Samuel) So it was shocking, but to make it short, I made it so I got a full-time job, I start saving some money and I built up my career from scratch then I didn’t realize that I had actually high functioning anxiety And when I found it it was in my early 30 I always feel nervous about things. I always felt that if I do something I might message that. So one day I was on a business trip in the States to lead a very important workshop and I was so nervous because this is the first, it was the first time I did it and for some reason, I developed a lot of like rash on my body. It was so painful then because of nervousness, I thought I just can’t afford to go for a job. So I went for a job and when I came back I started writing a journal and then I realized the connection between why I was nervous all the time to my childhood trauma and I didn’t know it was trauma.


(Christine Samuel) I grew up left-handed. I was born left-handed, but during that time, not anymore. Now, you know, it’s only different worlds, but it was impolite to speak or interact with other people, you know, shake other people’s hands with your left hand, you have to do it with your right hand. So what happened was I was about 345 years old and I have many cousins, and relatives older than me. So they told me don’t use your left hand, don’t use your left hand, I got confused as four or five years old and like and I broke down plates, glasses because I just have to use the other hand and you know as a child, of course, my cognition is limited. So I thought you know something wrong with me, there’s something I hold gonna break. So I developed attention that I really have to be careful and make sure everything is right and I went through my career challenges, but then I get so tense in my muscles, stress, you know, stressing job and I developed an autoimmune disease and that was my basically a wake-up call, like something I gotta fix.


(Christine Samuel) Like there’s something wrong here. It’s amazing what those experiences that we haven’t, particularly in early life, and if they continue to perpetuate how can have a significant impact on us health-wise, you know, mentally, emotionally, and physically. So I can just imagine what you were experiencing but go ahead and share, share some more. So the idea is basically, I, instead of looking out, I start looking at what is this inner world means, what is my feelings, what is my body trying to do, what is my mind trying to do and through that kind of healing journey, I met my inner child, you know, the one who is always scared and afraid that she’s going to mess things up and have a dialogue with her because I noticed as you know, there’s nothing wrong with me. Actually, I am going through a lot of challenges. But I made it. So I have a talk with her and said, you know what I love you, let me handle everything now, you can relax.


(Christine Samuel) So that was the first time were kind of into my healing journey where I kind of less anxious, less worried, and be able to have a journey of accepting myself more, and through also the autoimmunities I learned about food balance, emotional balance, and apply a lot of self-care in my daily routines. So things are going well, then I met my husband and you know, kids went through my career then coffee, yep. Yeah, right. And so what happened with coffee it is, I always felt I need a certain thing, you know, I need a certain amount of money, I need a certain amount of freedom. I need a certain amount of a lot of things basically. And through the coffee, we cannot as you know, we can’t really do much and we don’t really need to go to restaurants every time. We don’t really need to buy clothes.


(Christine Samuel) That’s right. It turned everything upside down in terms of how we had to reconfigure our lives and the things that we could do, we could no longer do and we had to find a new way of doing and being yeah, through that I’ve been wanting to make a change in my life. I know I need to follow more of my passion and my purpose, but I had no guts to do that because it’s nice to have paychecks. Yes, I know the feeling. Yeah, it’s hard not to, so I was not there, but the universe kind of forced me into no, this is your time is up, You need to do something else. So things are happening at the end of, you know, coffee, it also the career that really helps me to focus and not exactly without a doubt what I want to do because you know, I think my life experience taught me how painful it is to worry to doubt ourselves to fit in, to feel powerless to feel disconnected to be in the world of dominance, where we have to fit in to be successful, then there’s a point where I said, you know what, I have enough of this.


(Christine Samuel) If it’s not now when and through coffee, I know you know, if I can deal with uncertainty a little bit more then I can kind of okay too, take a little bit more of uncertainty. So at that moment, I decided before I thought like you know what, I’m going to try six months, something different if I if not now when And I went through six months and I thought, you know what, I don’t want to go back, this is so good, this is so fulfilling, this is so where I can be in my inner genius, this is where I can really serve others, not because of you know I have to be somebody else, I just have to be myself and moved from the expression of my being and all my pain, all challenges that I have all the uncomfortable feeling that I have, it’s kind of transmutes into this is maybe like a cliche to really laugh force.


(Christine Samuel) Like you know I have fear so much fear of course of going to uncertainty but that fear is often come by, you know there’s something bigger, something better than I have experienced myself because I let it let go of everything in a way that others can experience the same thing. I have no idea this is like a very powerful action, inspired action that I never thought I could do before because before right, always have doubts. Oh maybe it doesn’t work, you know who I am, that’s the ego. Yes, just protect trying to protect us, you know, is really what it’s all about and it’s I think the first, the hardest step is the first step, it’s always the hardest step. But once you take one step and then you take another step and then you keep going and you found yourself at the end of that six months that you were in a good space, you knew that you could do it and if you know the more steps you take the more courage that we muster up within us.


(Carol Chapman) So at that point, you knew that there was no going back, no turning back. So what happened at that point? How did things shift for you?

(Christine Samuel) So the reason why I know it’s possible is because I’ve been through, you know that $3.25 I’ve been through, this is like this is what I want, I want to go abroad, that’s right. And there is no, like at that moment, you know the first year I was in Canada, it was tough, but I knew there’s no turning back, there is no failure. I cannot fail and go home. I have to keep moving forward. So really you have already faced fear faced your, your biggest fears at that point in time and you really were thrust into a situation where you had no choice but to move through it and cycle through it and move to the next level in your life. Yeah. It’s interesting though because looking back now, I just felt, oh, this, I was so young and so naive.


(Christine Samuel) Sometimes it’s better when we’re doing things when we’re younger and we’re naive because then we don’t talk ourselves out of it Tony. I also want to share why I don’t talk about it. It was difficult because I have a choice to I have 20 years of career so I can look for jobs that I want, but I kind of tired of feeding in. So what I, what happened was in the beginning at the same time. Again, nothing is a coincidence. I stumble upon a word and then through people in the co-creation space, the word that is, become my philosophy until now is called D C O D D I W O M P L E Cody. I never knew about that before. It’s an English slang, which means to move purposefully toward an as yet unknown destination.


(Christine Samuel) So, I thought, wow, that’s totally perfect because I had no idea. You know, I have, I have some idea, but it’s very fake of what I want to do, but I can move purposefully one step at a time. That’s not a big deal for me. I can commit to that. I cannot commit to like, yo I got to be this or that I’m going to make this much, But I can commit to one step at a time. And what happened during that time, also I do an experiment with this work because, you know, I’ve done things and it works in my professional job, right? And consulting’s and my background is too so experienced is you find discovered problems and then find a solution. So you have to start with a problem, and find solutions. And there’s always like this proven methodology that you do with your work and that’s how you sell it to other companies. We solve this problem with this. These are the steps and they buy because they know the steps, but life doesn’t have those steps.


(Christine Samuel) That’s right, It’s not a lab, right? It’s not this one project, it’s just so interconnected with other stuff. So I knew and I try to use those steps, you know, find out what strategy I feel because I get afraid of, Oh, is that the right steps to do, What do I do the right thing. So I knew when I left my job and do this heart space or hard path, I cannot use that strategy anymore. It has to be totally new. That doesn’t that unknown. So what I said for myself was Alguna do with one restriction, meaning like when you want to be creative, creativity happens when there’s a constraint, you know, when this constraint you become creative to solve, you know, to get a different way. So my constraint instead of like constraint is a financial constraints problem. My constraint is I got to do this with joy.


(Carol Chapman) Joy has to be there no matter what I love that. Absolutely. You have to feel that that joy is what really kind of moves you forward and keeps you going. If you’re not following your joy or doing things that bring you joy, there’s going to be lots of resistance and there’s going to be a lot of anxiety, a lot of worries. That’s amazing. I think that’s an amazing revelation.

(Christine Samuel) Yeah. And this is the thing, right? When I follow Joy, what I have to do, I have to get up from my head from my thinking because when joy is feeling in the body, joys and experience. So joy is not a concept, it’s a being. So I have to get out of my head and get more into my heart to feel to sense. And I think that’s how I kind of lean towards. Oh, there is another space beside the head, there is some more spacious.


(Christine Samuel) So what I’ve been doing was I unlearned, this is my process of unlearning, not learning or applying because what I knew what is the right way, that feels good, not the right way, is it the right way or wrong way in terms of intellectual, you know, measuring it, but if it feels good, does it give me more energy? Right for example? Oh maybe I do this, you know, and then I start women in transition meet-up groups within a year. There are Right now until now it’s like 466 people and I start doing this or maybe I can do this talk, Maybe I do this group quoting session, I did it and I didn’t think about what if it’s failed because it just feels good, so write it down, you know like to kind of set it out and be in the process because when I’m in the process and allowing not knowing and I get this sense of ah meaning that it’s a nice surprise, Suddenly I set up like this sentence, wow, I never knew where it comes from it Read or it sounds so good.


(Christine Samuel) So I start getting this excitement and fun with going into not knowing, let’s say I do a talk, I already know this is my theme, I already know a little bit more about the structure, but I don’t know what to fill in and then allow that, deliberately not to know what to say every single sentence, so that at the moment I’m co-creating with what wants to emerge and when you start playing with that, when you, that has to come from the trust, right? Because I think my trust comes also from the joy it comes, it’s just so much more fun to be in this space to create not because oh is it going to be good or not?

(Carol Chapman) It’s more like I’m creating this because it’s fun and it’s really aligned with my purpose and you’re allowing yourself to tap into your inner wisdom and allow that to shine through as opposed to having the ego fill in all the details because the, you know, the ego wants to, you know, control and protect, but when you get out of that, that space, the headspace and into the heart space and just trust what you’re doing in the moment, I found the same thing for me when I used to do quite a few facilitation and speaking engagements and I found that if I got out of my head I was in my head.


(Carol Chapman) Oh my gosh, I would mess up left and right. But if I could just get out of my head and just allow the wisdom to just come through at the moment, I did much better and I had much better success stories with my facilitation zoos and my speaking engagements and there’s really a lot to be said for that. Things don’t have to be preplanned. It’s best to just be in the moment. I’d love for you to share a little bit more about heart space. It’s a beautiful term and words are so important. We drive meaning from words. I’d love for you to share more on that. And the work that you do with the heart space.

(Christine Samuel) So this is my own experience. And also coaching others by listening to others. What’s been happening is the only thing that prevents us to get to where we to go to be fully ourselves to go through all challenges is that we don’t know how to deal with our feelings.


(Christine Samuel) And then because we don’t, you know, there’s a bad feeling. And then we stuck into trying to solve that feeling instead of moving forward. We don’t like feeling uncomfortable. And then we use our heads Two get rid of those feelings which just don’t work. So we end up being stuck in these official cycles of feeling bad. Trying to very rough feeling bad again. Trying to get the raw feelings without even moving forward. What I found about this heart space is when we will allow ourselves to give a space of not knowing. Do you know? Because our head is always wanting to know are all when we rely on our head. We always get to the history of what we know. So what we create, we create. We create paths in the future because we rely on what we know we’re just coming from the history and then in ourselves, there are so many parts you know, there’s part of me that wanting to be in control.


(Christine Samuel) It’s part of me that want freedoms. So how can we deal with we’re not just this one single feeling or aspect. We have so many layers. And can we have this peaceful relationship even within ourselves with our good feeling bad feelings? What we call good or bad. Forever with our shadow and light. And there is space that is not in the head because the head is very small and rigid. There should be something else closer to our body which is our heart. So for me are the heart. Space is a gentle holding space where all feelings, thoughts, and sensations are welcome. It is the space where we can have a loving relationship with our complexity and contradiction. And in that space, there’s no pulling or pushing just Yes, this space is very powerful because it has that gentle holding.


(Christine Samuel) You know the head has to be no right bad. This has gentle holding that can sustain or suspend the judgment so that a different kind of intelligence and clarity can emerge because we have in the wisdom unique well being imagine elastic. So what we did is we tried to push the elastic until it’s very tense, like expanded attention with our hands to control it and we said oh this is so tight, I want to fix it but we’re not allowed. We don’t let go of what we thought we have to control. These elastics. And what happened was we kind of like going in and out in and out this like tension tension tension. But actually, when we let go of our hands to control that elastic, let’s go back to normal. And when you don’t expand elastics have become very gentle. That is our true nature.


(Christine Samuel) It’s just like that. And we’re able to if we want to expand it because drama is cool. You know, we watch movies because there’s drama and we did it to ourselves. You know, once in a while we think about bad it is or how good it is, it’s totally fine. But then we return to that that state. Indeed that’s our natural state. Yes. Yes. And as long as we usually we like when it’s not there like oh no it’s gone. I have to take it. Where is it? I don’t have to get it. But it’s actually the thinking that gets in the way of it. Alright. It’s always there. Well, we know it’s always there. Even me. Sometimes I get into my drama myself in my thinking because it’s fun. Uh and then, you know, and then okay. Oh I got too far, that’s enough drama, I’ll return then I returned back and that’s basically building skill of returning. Yes, returning home because we all go out, go out, go out all the time.


(Carol Chapman) And yes, I love that term returning home. Not everyone can do that. And this world today, how do you help others move from out of their head and be more in their heart space. What are some key steps or strategies are just tips too? Start listening and working with your heart space as opposed to the headspace.

(Christine Samuel) Yeah. Um, I’m even still contemplating on these questions because I feel like I want to blah blah blah. You know, there are so many things, but it’s really hard to put them down into simple words because the word doesn’t teach. Only experienced teach. So what I’m always trying to do is how can I in the presence of others. How can they feel that in me when I speak when I talk when I do whatever when present so that even though it’s not intellectual, they start feeling it because this work is not about thinking.


(Christine Samuel) We always think if we understand it intellectually and there are so many people who understand intellectually what mindfulness is, what heart is. It doesn’t work meaning that you don’t touch it. You only concept you don’t have the relationship in a way that is intimate where you feel the others or feel whatever it is. That the way you learn this is to touch it, to encounter it in a body felt and heartfelt experience, meaning that the simple step is to understand the nature of the mind, it’s limited and not really relying too much on its information is not you, your mind is not you, it’s just a tool. So thinking is one of the tools I always have this term. The mind cuts the heart connects. That’s a beautiful term. Yeah. If you really want to cut things that are analyzed, find the problem.


(Christine Samuel) Use the mind because when you cut things you get into the tiny details of the problem and it has a purpose.

(Carol Chapman) Yes, the mind does have a purpose. It does serve us in many ways in many ways where the heart can’t. But the heart should always lead and the heart is much more expansive. And I love that the term you said connects and I love what you were saying about you’ve got to feel it and that’s one of the things that I have to say about this podcast is people when they listen to the podcast and they listen to the stories and the insights they feel it, it’s not just ahead of exercise, but they start they tap into the emotion within themselves that is connecting to the emotion that is within you and whatever you are sharing. Whatever you’re sharing in terms of how you’re feeling who you are and what you are and that’s so important. It’s important. The learning point for each of us is to pay more attention to whatever we’re engaged in when we’re connecting with others, really connecting with them. 


(Christine Samuel) You cannot think through it. only can feel through it now. This is the thing I want to bring it up about thinking because it’s very important. The feeling has a bad rap in Western societies, you know, feeling romantic and feeling cannot be accountable. I don’t mean that. You know, we have emotions that we kind of enter used feelings with emotions. Feelings. Is another way of sensing that might Mhm. What I meant is, you know, even like say you listen to me that you kind of feel or sense something, maybe a sense of softness or if you talk to someone their sense of if you touch your skin or is it soft, is it hard? Is it the raft that kind of sensitivity that we need to develop? It’s going to hurt us. But like feeling and sensing what is it right now? Right?


(Christine Samuel) It’s more than just the five senses because that’s how we actually receive or transmit connection with one another, right? We feel I feel you feeling me. It’s not like I agree with you, I agree with your opinion. I agree with you you know, principle. You know, even when I talk like this you probably feel it it’s different. But like when you, when you talk to me and I feel you feeling me, it’s I see you seeing me is that the hard way of living and being in this world and when it comes from that place of Usaid expensive nous, then the mind can come down because otherwise it always feels it has to figure things out because otherwise we cannot really function. But when the heart is there feeling the connection the mind actually if you want to come down to mine be in your heart because when the heart leads the mind at ease and that’s to come down to mine, it will then work together united with your heart.


(Christine Samuel) So the mind, what we’ve been using these days in this era for 500 years is a mind is a tool for analysis 2 4. Remember to remember the past tool to collect information. There’s a bigger function of the mind. A mind is an emergence tool, meaning that if you keep it calm and open, something will emerge. There’s so much that we do. Sometimes we don’t really have to plan because suddenly we know what to do. We thought we have to plan its feel we feel good. We kind of do something but actually a lot of things we do, we just do it, especially with the way we talk right now, everything has come up. I don’t have to think about it. I just, I will just be in it and words come out. Can we upgrade our minds in a way instead of a tool to remember the past? A tool to collect information, a tool that is so open, new wisdom or insight our ideas emerging.


(Christine Samuel) Can we cultivate that environment from her heart to a new future? That because when it feels seen, it feels accepted, it doesn’t really think about what you’re lacking this, you’re lacking that it will come and when it’s come, you know like when we are in joy when we are and feel freedom, we figure out things, we have ideas and what I like to fight everyone is just to bring that to upgrade that sense. Make our minds more powerful by being and learning how to be in the heart space.

(Carol Chapman) That is just some wonderful insights And I think that if more people were to do that, I think people would be a lot more in their joyful space as opposed to an unjust joyful space. What advice do you have for others? Because I’m really curious, we all have our own view of what success looks like for us.


(Carol Chapman) I think it would be helpful to know what does success look like for you now and what advice do you have for others to feel like they’re being fulfilled and more successful in their lives?

(Christine Samuel)  Yeah, thank you for asking that because I, I felt I have a drastic way of seeing success right now, I don’t see success as one day I will be this one day I will be there, I do have a vision, I do have dreams that one day is very different, I don’t know if you can feel me, but like I have a dream, I have a dream and my dream is bigger than my success. My dream is to create a world where everyone can fully show as the highest nature to show up fully themselves, because only that we can have a better world, so that’s my dream, so my dream is bigger than my success, my success, you know, it would be nice and I’m, I’m starting course I’m making you know, a lot of ideas, it would be great if people response, it will be great if you know for example, I see growth, I don’t call it business, but it’s a life calling, I see growth in that, but for me, success is more about moment today right now, so success for me, not in 10 years in three months in one week it is now, am I tune in to what want to emerge in me and my tuning in to my heart because then everything that I do today is so much meaningful if I’m in it and I’m with it and what I do doesn’t come from a place of fear or maybe I should do this because, you know, I’m afraid that if I’m not, I don’t want to live like that anymore, so, so success for me is like, if I can live today as if I get to the the end is now, you know, the end where, you know, maybe my book is launched, there’s more people in my courses and then I get email or response, like, Christine, thank you so much for, you know, things that you did, that that changed my life, you know, once in a while I got that, but I love getting that, but also be able to be open to that success, meaning that as long as I’m in tune with my dream and what I do today in alignment with who I am with the place, from a place of love, place of vision and mission and you know, once in a while my survival brain come up.


(Christine Samuel) Yeah, but you know, you’re not doing this yet, Those are just old habits and patterns, just kind of trying to surface and make their way to the surface for sure, but you know, better, that’s just the mind playing tricks on you. I think that’s wonderful advice and I think there’s a lot to be said for living in the moment because the past is done and gone and what’s in the future 25, 10 years from now, that’s a destination and there are all sorts of possibilities as to what might happen. Everything we do today predicts what happens in our future. So we must live each and every day to the fullest. And b as I guess, as experiential as we possibly can with being in that moment and feeling alive at that moment, feeling our own essence, because that’s what really matters the most.


(Christine Samuel) It’s not some destination or something that we have done in the past, but it’s what we are feeling and living today. And I want to add to what you said carol. There’s no past, there’s no future. There’s only eternal now. Tomorrow is now. That’s right. It is. It is they’re all one of the same because there is no such thing as the past or the future. There’s only now. So it’s better to be in the line one now. Instead of worrying about the future. This is what we have. This is what we have right now and look at what you have created and what you’re creating. Even at this moment, as we’re having this conversation, it’s beautiful. How can people find out more about you? I know you have a website, you’ve got social channels, and you have meet-up with groups. Yeah. So people can find me on my website on our work matters dot com. I also have blogs and even my events are there to my story.


(Christine Samuel) I also have to meet up groups that I’m I ran right now, one called women in transitions to help women, so they don’t feel alone and I know there’s a lot of overthinking and the unknown that we experiencing transitions. So those there and I used to do group coaching sessions and a talk once a month in that and beginning of last month I started a group called Deep listening practice circle. I did this last year with a close community. Again, I want to create an environment where people can feel that they are being seen and heard and how does it feel to be in that, and how to respond to others in a way that you hear and listen from the depths of your being to them because that way it’s creating this, oh, I can be myself, that’s what I found about, you know, I do a talk but a lot of things that I do in my course or facilitation experiences, you experience how it feels to be in the moment you want to be.


(Christine Samuel) So I had that as well and I start also thinking about this again, this is coming very sensing because next week was the second session for deep listening that I opened up And there were already 70 think about 79 people sign up for that. So what I know I tap into the need of the world, we think this is what people need. So, I was planning to create because of that, seeing that feeling that, sensing it, I know it’s what people’s needs. So I’m Creating another more like close group where people can be practicing at a close community, the same amount of people like, you know, less than 12 or six weeks weekly. So stuff like that, that comes not all because I planted in three years or planet just like, Okay, what do I see right now? What do I feel where you want to go? Yeah, you can find me on websites in meetups. I have Instagram as well, Christine Samuel here, and a Youtube channel.


(Carol Chapman) Okay, alright, we’ll be sure to include all of that in our show notes and anything else. I think you’ve got a course as well we’re happy to share a link to your course. I have personally experienced your deep listening practices, very, very powerful practice. I think people really need a lot of people really need that very helpful and certainly, right now in today’s world, we’re all in transition, and many, many people, especially women, could benefit from your women in transition group as well. And I know your delivery style and how you engage people within these groups. I can attest to the fact that this is a very beautiful experience. So I will just put that out there to any of our listeners that this is a very powerful experience with the way that Christine facilitates these groups and so Christine. I just want to thank you for joining me today. This has been a wonderful discussion. I want to wish you the very best of success as you move forward with inner work matters and living moment to moment.


(Christine Samuel) Thank you carol. It’s my deep gratitude for finding space for me to speak and to be invited to your amazing space.

(Carol Chapman) Well, thank you again and I just want to thank all of our listeners out there. Thank you for all of your heart-felt listenings in. It’s beautiful and we just want to say, for now, we’ll be back for another episode whenever that happens and at this time just keep rising up to your best and highest self, Bye for now. Yeah. Mhm Yeah, we hope today’s show helped to bring a bit more joy and happiness into your heart. We hope it inspired you to unleash your inner power and rise up to your best and loving heart-centered, highest self. We’d be grateful if you’d leave us a review on Itunes. Those reviews are important to spread this valuable message. We’d love for you to subscribe to our podcast and share the show with others, visit hearts rise up dot com for heart-centered courses, guided meditations, and are popular notes from your higher self until next time.


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